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  3. RE: #93

    Mr. Brown;

    If the recent data regarding phytoplankton emission of isoprene or DMS affects cloud production is valid. And the indication is that during periods of decreased ICMEs relate to increases in CR. And increases in CR relate to a de-nitrification of the Stratosphere which would offset sodium chloride aersols being lifted to the this region with the possible decrease of atmospheric ozone as a result. And the decrease in ozone would increase the UV energy reaching the phytoplankton on the Sea Surface both killing it, warming it, and increasing the surface salinity. Then may be the issue of cloud formation and the realtionship to CR may be a possibility.

    Occums Razor probably will disallow these observations. To have such a detailed path to follow for cause and effect seems like a logic construction and may not be natural. (I suspect that is part of the reason for the anthropogenic relationship to GW that has been established in the absense of detailed evidence of other drivers.)

    Dave Cooke

  5. The Uppsala Hydrocarbon Depletion Study Group has shown that all the IPCC scenarios on CO2 emission are faulty. There are simply not enough fossile sources in the ground to maintain even the weakest development. I wonder why nobody took the time to look at the amount of oil, gas and coal to back these scenarios? The Uppsala group has contacted IPCC but as far as I know without any answer.

    http://www4.tsl.uu.se/isv/UHDSG

  6. re:105. “The Uppsala Hydrocarbon Depletion Study Group was founded in January 2003. The group has governmental support from the Swedish Energy Agency and industrial support from Lundin Petroleum.”

    Always proceed with extreme caution re: objectivity when citing a study supported directly by an oil company with a clear vested interest.

  7. Coal is a fossil fuel, but it is not a “hydrocarbon” and is not part of the Uppsala discussion. Uppsala is, as they say, one of the “peak oil” studies.

    Coal is the big source of near-future CO2 — from old tech dirty coal burning electrical generators, in particular the many dozens of them now committed and funded to be build — these will be used for the next half century.

  8. re 106. The study you are referring to is a Master thesis at Uppsala University. The facts presented can not be turned away referring to Lundin Petrolium. It is easy for anybody to confirm the facts put forward.

  9. re: 108. Yes, a Masters Thesis’ “facts” can and absolutely should be “turned away” until it is published and peer-reviewed in a legitimate scientific journal (not a petroleum company journal, web site, or “grey” literature). I can vouch for that from personal experience.

  10. Jan — coal is not a hydrocarbon. Uppsala is a ‘peak oil and gas’ study, says so on the website.

  11. A master’s thesis is a type of grey literature, which also undergoes a review process. There is an academic committee for the manuscript as well as an oral defense. There are of course differences in degrees among academic institutions. Usually, no one fact or piece of data is the basis for empirical verification but is aggregated and supported by other data and sources. One of the results from a general survey on grey literature (2004) recommends that grey publishers include a statement on the review process in which their publications undergo.

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